10/25/2004

A Reminder

I've been keeping my post titled "Be Wary My Friends" updated with new information as it becomes available. A special thanks to The Astute Blogger whose post gave me information on a few more instances of thuggery! BTW, here is an excellent link to a listing of these sorts of incidents also mentioned on Astute Blogger.

Honestly my Deocratic freinds how are we to take your cries of voter intimidation seriously when your party's members are pulling this sort of draconian chicanery?
Blogger gblagg said...

Picked you up over at Carter's blog...maybe one day he'll understand that logic always beats out emotion. Cool blog...if your bored stop by stickandstone.blogspot.com. let me know what you think.

5:21 PM  
Blogger Angela said...

My brother lives in Texas. He called me today on his way to vote. He and his wife got it done early. He said that people are doing this all over Texas so that nobody can cry "voter intimidation." Here in my neck of the woods President Bush came and spoke to 11,000 people across the river in Council Bluffs IA. His speech was covered on our local channel. It was AWESOME. I'm trying to find a transcript. If you come across one let me know! :)

11:29 PM  
Blogger 1138 said...

Early voting means early tampering - and a month of electioneering.

Tampering, harasment and attempts to harm the other party through agressivenes and violence on the part of both major parties.

I hate to think what things will be like in 2008.

2:26 AM  
Blogger reliapundit said...

thanks for the hattip. you're a good man.

reliapundit - the host of the astute blogger

8:37 PM  
Blogger Ken said...

Except random events (Wow, someone took a yard sign! Oh the intimidation of it) and the organized hooliganism (yup, that IS criminal trespass and they ARE under arrest) cannot be pegged on the Democrats because they are not behind it. This stand in stark contrast to the organized effort, which can be traced to the GOP, to deny the right to vote by efforts such as registering people and shredding the democrat registrations and efforts to confront black voters in Florida to cause long lines and generally intimidate.

Or as said by Trapper John on the dailykosLook, there's yet another fundamental difference between the parties which has become crystal clear in these past few weeks: the Democratic Party encourages citizens to exercise their franchise, while the Republican Party is hellbent on stopping citizens from voting. It's simple. To claim that Dems are engaging in voter suppression, given the massive black ops of the GOP, is nothing short of slander.

2:58 PM  
Blogger The G-man said...

Except these acts are performed by Democrats. Whether all of this violence is sponsored by the party, or the party's members are doing it is irelevent as it still goes down to the quality of the Democratic party as an entity viewed as a whole.

Now, you make all sorts of claims about Republican efforts to prevent people from voting. If you can back it up with evidence, I'd be glad to see it. We all know about that one organization in Nevada that has been accused of turning the tables on the Democratic organisation, that's been implicated in most of the claims of voter registration fraud that have come forward this election year. (You know the same one that pays for votes in crack cocaine). So what is it you were trying to say?

3:11 PM  
Blogger Ken said...

Really, so if I were mugged by a Republican it would be "irelevent" if this violence is "sponsored by the party, or the party's members" since it would show "quality of the [Republican] party as an entity viewed as a whole." If this is your version of logic let's hope you never serve on a jury.

The plan to disenfranchiseSome Fear Ohio Will Be Florida of 2004
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62645-2004Oct25.html

Big G.O.P. Bid to Challenge Voters at Polls in Key State

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/23/politics/campaign/23vote.html?

Republicans said they had enlisted 3,600 by the deadline, many in heavily Democratic urban neighborhoods of Cleveland, Dayton and other cities. Each recruit was to be paid $100.


A secret document obtained from inside Bush campaign headquarters in Florida suggests a plan - possibly in violation of US law - to disrupt voting in the state's African-American voting districts, a BBC Newsnight investigation reveals.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/3956129.stm

The GOP funded effort to destroy Democratic voter registration cards.

Fascinating. Employees of Voters Outreach of America, a GOP-funded voter registration outfit operating in Nevada, say they personally witnessed company employees shredding hundreds or even thousands of Democratic registrations. Now the same company (VOA) is being accused of destroying Democratic registration forms in Oregon. The head of VOA is Nathan Sproul, a Republican political consultant who used to be the executive director of the Arizona state Republican party.

In gaining access to venues to register voters, he has apparently been claiming that his group is part of America Votes, a voter education and registration groups put together by a consortium of Democrat-leaning groups like the AFL-CIO, Emily's List, the Sierra Club and others.

A quick scan of Nexis shows Sproul's outfit is also operating in West Virginia (see Charleston Gazette, August 20th), where they've already raised some controversy for misleading tactics if not destroying legally valid registrations.

Nathan Sproul, it seems, is also a regional president of Voyager Expanded Learning Company, a company chock-full of Bush cronies currently supping at the No Child Left Behind act gravy-train. Also at Voyager is Jim Nelson, President Bush's education commissioner during his tenure in Texas. That was before the president appointed him as deputy education czar in Baghdad for a brief stint in 2003. This thread at Kos seems to provide a complete Sproularama.

RNC payments this year to Sproul & Associates. About 125k, according to FEC records.

But they didn't do anywhere near as well as [all caps] SPROUL & ASSOCIATES,INC. They got about a half a million RNC dollars.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

6:26 PM  
Blogger The G-man said...

Really, so if I were mugged by a Republican it would be "irelevent" if this violence is "sponsored by the party, or the party's members" since it would show "quality of the [Republican] party as an entity viewed as a whole."

A mugging is a random event. What I've documented are all politically motivated attacks against Republican establishments or personalities. That my friend is the differentiation.

As a note, I'll be refering to evidence presented in the article I wrote linked by this post. Look there for verification of claims.

The plan to disenfranchise Some Fear Ohio Will Be Florida of 2004
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62645-2004Oct25.html
...

Considering the fact that there is an unprecidented number of fraudulent voter registrations in Ohio (all Democrats). It is clearly a prudent and legal step. As opposed to lobbing bullets into campaign headquarters as your party engages in.

A secret document obtained from inside Bush campaign headquarters in Florida.

Illustrating my point that the Democratic party is using illegal tactics, namely breaking and entering and burglary.

to quote your article: "The only possible reason why they would keep such a thing is to challenge voters on election day."

...because they are fraudulently registered to vote. Challenging voters is a legal practice. Unlike breaking into offices and stealing documents.

The GOP funded effort to destroy Democratic voter registration cards.

Now we get to the Nevada claim, where a Democrat planted mole, absconded with 10 voter registration cards (claiming they were in the trash). Investigation proves that only ten voter reregistrations were missing, namely the ones your mole stole!

Employees of Voters Outreach of America...

No that would be one employee! Big difference!

he has apparently been claiming that his group is part of America Votes, a voter education and registration groups put together by a consortium of Democrat-leaning groups like the AFL-CIO, Emily's List, the Sierra Club and others.

The "and others" happens to include the major contributor, the DNC & Soros. It is also this group & that is all around the country filing fraudulent voter registrations. Hell, in Wisc. they're even registering illegal aliens to vote! Perhaps, since you're so smart, you can tell me why Philadelphia has over a million registered voters, a number that stands at 104% of the voter age population according to the census, and the vast majority of these are democrats! How's that work?

You guys are trying to pull a fast one. That's the answer and you're using illegal activities to do it. ...and these "activities" are not isolated events. They're widespread and coordinated, my guess is, byt the DNC.

8:37 PM  
Blogger Ken said...

You are a partisan hack. You are more interested in toeing the party line than justice or what would be good for the country. It is sad to see Republicans reduced to mindlessly restating party doctrine. This is more reminiscent of the Soviet Union. This is NOT what Reagan stood for.

12:06 PM  
Blogger Ken said...

You accusations are not documented, mine are. Good luck to you.

12:08 PM  
Blogger The G-man said...

So you're denying the veracity of every news organization to which those links lead? Not very likely. Sorry, but you're the partisan hack toeing the party line. How do you explain the existance of all of those news reports? You don't, you simply ignore them and continue pushing your party's agenda, all the while demanding "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

2:18 PM  
Blogger Ken said...

No, I’m not denying the veracity of the reports, I’m denying YOUR veracity since it is YOU that is linking random acts to a concerted effort by the Democrats. And it is YOU that discounting and unwilling to see the truth of GOP efforts to disenfranchise voters. If you actually read the content of many of those reports you would see that the conclusions that YOU draw are not substantiated. If you still need me to walk you through this let me know. But then again, why let the facts stand in your way…

2:26 PM  
Blogger The G-man said...

If it's so "random" why is it not happening to Democrat Campaign headquarters then? You are the one who's biased and refusing to see the truth.

How is it an attempt to "disenfranchise" voters to challenge them for proof of who they are, especially since you party has been floating so many fraudulent registrations this time around. If you don't like your voters being challenged (WHICH IS LEGAL!!!) don't submit so many fraudulent registrations.

Oh and on another note, if you're going to visit violence on Republican institutions, it might be bright to damage a few of your own assets to make things look random even though they're not.

2:44 PM  
Blogger Ken said...

"Oh and on another note, if you're going to visit violence on Republican institutions, it might be bright to damage a few of your own assets to make things look random even though they're not."

Wow, this is quite telling. So if you really want to make the other side look bad just damage your own assets and make them look like it’s not random? Now who here has a cynical and manipulative mind, hmm?

There have been break-ins at Dem HQs as well as sign stealing and cutting crap etc. This does not make it a conspiracy.

5:51 PM  
Blogger The G-man said...

That's odd... I didn't see any links in the comment.

7:19 PM  

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